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	<title>Comments on: Motherf*ing Toddlers on a Motherf*ing Plane</title>
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		<title>By: KESW</title>
		<link>http://teenymanolo.com/2009/11/03/motherfing-toddlers-on-a-motherfing-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-136427</link>
		<dc:creator>KESW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think an important thing to take into consideration is the age of the child in question. Developmentally, an infant has NO ability to assess inappropriate vs. appropriate social situations. Heck, they barely understand that mom and dad are separate entities from themselves. So it&#039;s not always a question of moral failure on the part of the child or disciplinary failure on the part of the parent. Often it is simply that the child has been pushed past his or her zone of tolerance (and I mean, who DOESN&#039;T experience that in air travel?) and simply does not understand due to the level of their cognitive development that it will all be over soon, and that screaming is just going to annoy the people around them. They literally CANNOT understand that.
Obviously, as children grow older, we can expect more from them in social situations, but until scientists figure out a way to impart the reasoning skills of a 6 year old into a 6 month old, then sorry, we just have to grit our teeth and turn up the volume on our headphones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think an important thing to take into consideration is the age of the child in question. Developmentally, an infant has NO ability to assess inappropriate vs. appropriate social situations. Heck, they barely understand that mom and dad are separate entities from themselves. So it&#8217;s not always a question of moral failure on the part of the child or disciplinary failure on the part of the parent. Often it is simply that the child has been pushed past his or her zone of tolerance (and I mean, who DOESN&#8217;T experience that in air travel?) and simply does not understand due to the level of their cognitive development that it will all be over soon, and that screaming is just going to annoy the people around them. They literally CANNOT understand that.<br />
Obviously, as children grow older, we can expect more from them in social situations, but until scientists figure out a way to impart the reasoning skills of a 6 year old into a 6 month old, then sorry, we just have to grit our teeth and turn up the volume on our headphones.</p>
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		<title>By: La Petite Acadienne</title>
		<link>http://teenymanolo.com/2009/11/03/motherfing-toddlers-on-a-motherfing-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-135715</link>
		<dc:creator>La Petite Acadienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mentioned it before, p, but it does bear repeating. Sometimes the parents have no choice but to bring their child on public transport. Examples have been given above. Maybe they don&#039;t have a car. Maybe the family is relocating. Maybe they are going to visit a dying relative, who wishes to see the baby. 

Part of living in a society is being civilized, and part of being civilized is developing a bit of empathy, instead of automatically assuming that anybody who bothers you is deliberately being an asshole.

So, the next time you want to complain about the selfishness of the parents of screaming brats, you may wish to stop and consider the fact that maybe, just maybe, they&#039;re not inflicting that noise on you because they&#039;re selfish or sadistic, but because they have no other choice. And if you can see that the parents are visibly TRYING to soothe the child or otherwise keep the situation under control, then try cutting them some slack -- they&#039;re doing the best they can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned it before, p, but it does bear repeating. Sometimes the parents have no choice but to bring their child on public transport. Examples have been given above. Maybe they don&#8217;t have a car. Maybe the family is relocating. Maybe they are going to visit a dying relative, who wishes to see the baby. </p>
<p>Part of living in a society is being civilized, and part of being civilized is developing a bit of empathy, instead of automatically assuming that anybody who bothers you is deliberately being an asshole.</p>
<p>So, the next time you want to complain about the selfishness of the parents of screaming brats, you may wish to stop and consider the fact that maybe, just maybe, they&#8217;re not inflicting that noise on you because they&#8217;re selfish or sadistic, but because they have no other choice. And if you can see that the parents are visibly TRYING to soothe the child or otherwise keep the situation under control, then try cutting them some slack &#8212; they&#8217;re doing the best they can.</p>
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		<title>By: raincoaster</title>
		<link>http://teenymanolo.com/2009/11/03/motherfing-toddlers-on-a-motherfing-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-135611</link>
		<dc:creator>raincoaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, p (may I call you p?), I don&#039;t have children of my own, but I bet your parents wouldn&#039;t agree with you. Yes, some children do cry for five hours at a stretch. And part of being considered well-socialized is the ability not to blame people for things that they cannot control, like the fact that their baby is upset or has an ear infection. When babies are upset, they scream; we get that. 

Sometimes they even do it in the comments sections of blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, p (may I call you p?), I don&#8217;t have children of my own, but I bet your parents wouldn&#8217;t agree with you. Yes, some children do cry for five hours at a stretch. And part of being considered well-socialized is the ability not to blame people for things that they cannot control, like the fact that their baby is upset or has an ear infection. When babies are upset, they scream; we get that. </p>
<p>Sometimes they even do it in the comments sections of blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: p. temperton</title>
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		<dc:creator>p. temperton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yeah, the letters section at Salon can definitely be a cesspool. Unfortunately, I think it’s emblematic of our society at large, which seems to be growing ever more selfish and hateful.&quot;

You people just don&#039;t get it, do you? Yes, society has grown more selfish - but the selfish ones are not the people whose lives are being made hell by the screaming brats of feckless, incompetent parents, it is the feckless, incompetent parents who are the selfish ones. If you cannot control your children, do not go on public transport with them (or into a restaurant, for that matter). Too many people now are so self-centered that they don&#039;t realize we live in a society. You cannot just do whatever you want in a public place.

Southwest Airlines was absolutely right in the first place, and wrong to apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yeah, the letters section at Salon can definitely be a cesspool. Unfortunately, I think it’s emblematic of our society at large, which seems to be growing ever more selfish and hateful.&#8221;</p>
<p>You people just don&#8217;t get it, do you? Yes, society has grown more selfish &#8211; but the selfish ones are not the people whose lives are being made hell by the screaming brats of feckless, incompetent parents, it is the feckless, incompetent parents who are the selfish ones. If you cannot control your children, do not go on public transport with them (or into a restaurant, for that matter). Too many people now are so self-centered that they don&#8217;t realize we live in a society. You cannot just do whatever you want in a public place.</p>
<p>Southwest Airlines was absolutely right in the first place, and wrong to apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apropos of this topic, here a very funny piece in the NY Times:

http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/how-not-to-calm-a-child-on-a-plane/

I laughed! I heaved! It was better than Cats!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apropos of this topic, here a very funny piece in the NY Times:</p>
<p><a href="http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/how-not-to-calm-a-child-on-a-plane/" rel="nofollow">http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/how-not-to-calm-a-child-on-a-plane/</a></p>
<p>I laughed! I heaved! It was better than Cats!</p>
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		<title>By: La Petite Acadienne</title>
		<link>http://teenymanolo.com/2009/11/03/motherfing-toddlers-on-a-motherfing-plane/comment-page-1/#comment-134568</link>
		<dc:creator>La Petite Acadienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, a lot of the comments on Salon were of the variety of &quot;If you have babies or toddlers, either drive, or don&#039;t travel.&quot;  Unfortunately, that&#039;s not always feasible. One of my dear friends works for the government and gets work assignments all over the world. She was recently re-assigned from Abu Dhabi to L.A.  She has two pre-school-age children. What&#039;s she supposed to do -- leave them behind? Or put them on the container ship with their furniture? :)   

I can sympathize with people being aggravated by a kid acting up or screaming. And I can definitely sympathize with them being annoyed if the parent(s) appear to be doing diddly-squat about the ruckus. But most times, the parents ARE trying desperately to soothe, distract, amuse, or otherwise cajole the kid into being quiet, and receiving dirty looks and mutterings doesn&#039;t help anybody now, does it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, a lot of the comments on Salon were of the variety of &#8220;If you have babies or toddlers, either drive, or don&#8217;t travel.&#8221;  Unfortunately, that&#8217;s not always feasible. One of my dear friends works for the government and gets work assignments all over the world. She was recently re-assigned from Abu Dhabi to L.A.  She has two pre-school-age children. What&#8217;s she supposed to do &#8212; leave them behind? Or put them on the container ship with their furniture? <img src='http://teenymanolo.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    </p>
<p>I can sympathize with people being aggravated by a kid acting up or screaming. And I can definitely sympathize with them being annoyed if the parent(s) appear to be doing diddly-squat about the ruckus. But most times, the parents ARE trying desperately to soothe, distract, amuse, or otherwise cajole the kid into being quiet, and receiving dirty looks and mutterings doesn&#8217;t help anybody now, does it?</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Can’t the grandparents visit YOU?&lt;/i&gt;

Well, no, actually, they can&#039;t. Before my husband&#039;s 85-year-old mother died, she was an invalid, having had a stroke while I was pregnant with my first child. She was a very unhappy woman in the final years of her life, and seeing her grandchildren was one of the few things that brought her joy. And as much as I, personally, hate flying with young children (not because they behave badly *mine didn&#039;t, touch wood* but because I hate exposing them to the germy cesspool that is a commercial plane), I sucked it up for her sake. 

Something to think about before you go around assuming you have total insight into other people&#039;s motivations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Can’t the grandparents visit YOU?</i></p>
<p>Well, no, actually, they can&#8217;t. Before my husband&#8217;s 85-year-old mother died, she was an invalid, having had a stroke while I was pregnant with my first child. She was a very unhappy woman in the final years of her life, and seeing her grandchildren was one of the few things that brought her joy. And as much as I, personally, hate flying with young children (not because they behave badly *mine didn&#8217;t, touch wood* but because I hate exposing them to the germy cesspool that is a commercial plane), I sucked it up for her sake. </p>
<p>Something to think about before you go around assuming you have total insight into other people&#8217;s motivations.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m selfish, but being around people&#039;s uncontrolled children is seriously irritating (when the parents make no effort to control their child, and worse, expect you to kiss their ass simply because they have reproduced. Wow, your birth control methods failed! Go you!)  Not only that, a young child&#039;s screams are one of the most painful things another human being can listen to - as a species, we have evolved this hideous noise to force others around us to care for the infant and stop the god-awful racket.

Taking a plane somewhere is already a painful enough experience these days.  I think it is going overboard to kick someone off the plane unless the child is crying nonstop for the whole flight.  If it won&#039;t shut up for five hours, maybe that is an indicator that there&#039;s something wrong with the baby and there&#039;s a good reason to land so they can get to an ER.  However, I think it is completely reasonable to detest the parent and their noisy brat for giving you headaches, and to commiserate with fellow passengers about how there are very few good reasons to take an infant on a plane as it is.  Can&#039;t the grandparents visit YOU?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m selfish, but being around people&#8217;s uncontrolled children is seriously irritating (when the parents make no effort to control their child, and worse, expect you to kiss their ass simply because they have reproduced. Wow, your birth control methods failed! Go you!)  Not only that, a young child&#8217;s screams are one of the most painful things another human being can listen to &#8211; as a species, we have evolved this hideous noise to force others around us to care for the infant and stop the god-awful racket.</p>
<p>Taking a plane somewhere is already a painful enough experience these days.  I think it is going overboard to kick someone off the plane unless the child is crying nonstop for the whole flight.  If it won&#8217;t shut up for five hours, maybe that is an indicator that there&#8217;s something wrong with the baby and there&#8217;s a good reason to land so they can get to an ER.  However, I think it is completely reasonable to detest the parent and their noisy brat for giving you headaches, and to commiserate with fellow passengers about how there are very few good reasons to take an infant on a plane as it is.  Can&#8217;t the grandparents visit YOU?</p>
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		<title>By: raincoaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>raincoaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really care how much the parent and child suffer; it&#039;s always MY suffering that interests me most.

However.

As the offspring of a longtime airline employee, I can say with some authority that a huge part of the problem here is a mismatch between expectation and reality. People expect airline travel to be fancy. Limo-class. It&#039;s not: it&#039;s an airborne Greyhound.

If you lower your expectations to that (and I assure you, airlines have; just look at the service levels) you&#039;ll see that being locked up with a nonviolent screamer for six hours is more or less what you can expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really care how much the parent and child suffer; it&#8217;s always MY suffering that interests me most.</p>
<p>However.</p>
<p>As the offspring of a longtime airline employee, I can say with some authority that a huge part of the problem here is a mismatch between expectation and reality. People expect airline travel to be fancy. Limo-class. It&#8217;s not: it&#8217;s an airborne Greyhound.</p>
<p>If you lower your expectations to that (and I assure you, airlines have; just look at the service levels) you&#8217;ll see that being locked up with a nonviolent screamer for six hours is more or less what you can expect.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be human....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be human&#8230;.</p>
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