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		<title>By: marvel</title>
		<link>http://teenymanolo.com/2009/10/29/pregnant-in-the-time-of-swine-flu/comment-page-1/#comment-133979</link>
		<dc:creator>marvel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a lie:

&quot;the link between autism and MMR vaccine, in particular, is so strongly acknowledged...&quot;

There is NO credible scientific evidence that there is any link between MMR and autism. There is GOOD scientific evidence that there is no link between MMR and autism--one study at least from the Kaiser Permanente databases in California, demonstrating that despite exclusion of thimerosal from all childhood vaccines since 2002 the incidence of autism has continued to rise unabated. Autism can be a devastating neurodevelopmental disease and no one really understands what leads to it, nor is the rise in incidence understood (much may be due to increased awareness and diagnosis), but it is time to move on from blaming vaccines.

The whole swine flu vaccine thing is a tough one. I don&#039;t understand the deal with the vaccine--the distribution has been through the cdc and health departments, and not regular providers (at least in the state I live in), and so the &quot;roll-out&quot; has been different than seasonal flu. Tennessee apparantly delivered all their vaccines much more smoothly; DC has been a nightmare from all reports. Think a lot of it has depended upon the state systems and how each locality chose to handle distribution. Also it might have been better from a PR perspective to not announce that swine flu shots would be available until, you know, they actually were.
 
As to why it&#039;s harder to get vaccines made more quickly, I would bet there a lot more regulations to be complied with than there were in the 1970s! Also vaccines don&#039;t reimburse as well as they used to, so a lot of the manufacturers have coalesced/scaled back (I think there are only a few manufacturers now of most major vaccines, as opposed to having a lot of competitors).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a lie:</p>
<p>&#8220;the link between autism and MMR vaccine, in particular, is so strongly acknowledged&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>There is NO credible scientific evidence that there is any link between MMR and autism. There is GOOD scientific evidence that there is no link between MMR and autism&#8211;one study at least from the Kaiser Permanente databases in California, demonstrating that despite exclusion of thimerosal from all childhood vaccines since 2002 the incidence of autism has continued to rise unabated. Autism can be a devastating neurodevelopmental disease and no one really understands what leads to it, nor is the rise in incidence understood (much may be due to increased awareness and diagnosis), but it is time to move on from blaming vaccines.</p>
<p>The whole swine flu vaccine thing is a tough one. I don&#8217;t understand the deal with the vaccine&#8211;the distribution has been through the cdc and health departments, and not regular providers (at least in the state I live in), and so the &#8220;roll-out&#8221; has been different than seasonal flu. Tennessee apparantly delivered all their vaccines much more smoothly; DC has been a nightmare from all reports. Think a lot of it has depended upon the state systems and how each locality chose to handle distribution. Also it might have been better from a PR perspective to not announce that swine flu shots would be available until, you know, they actually were.</p>
<p>As to why it&#8217;s harder to get vaccines made more quickly, I would bet there a lot more regulations to be complied with than there were in the 1970s! Also vaccines don&#8217;t reimburse as well as they used to, so a lot of the manufacturers have coalesced/scaled back (I think there are only a few manufacturers now of most major vaccines, as opposed to having a lot of competitors).</p>
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		<title>By: Glinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure there are excellent reasons to not vaccinate, although I don&#039;t have as big of a problem with people who choose not to vaccinate against something like the flu versus more serious diseases.

I&#039;ve seen the science and those that claim that current vaccines are harmful don&#039;t have a lot of support on their side.  They may have people who claim things, but as far as actual studies go, I&#039;m not convinced in any way that there are excellent reasons to not protect your children against diseases that in years past, maimed and killed.

What people who avoid vaccines do is count on everyone else to vaccinate, and thus depend on &quot;herd immunity&quot; which I feel is irresponsible.  In fact, a newspaper article I just read highlighted specific schools in my area where there are extremely high populations of children who are unvaccinated, thus putting themselves and all other children at the school at risk of contracting one or more of the diseases that is entirely preventable.

Oddly enough, they are in areas that are wealthy and supposedly educated.  I say supposdely educated because I can&#039;t believe that so many people are willing to blatantly ignore dozens of scientific studies that say the vaccines are safe, just to feed a paranoia. 

In fact, they almost remind me of creationists in their zeal to ignore facts.

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience/all/1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure there are excellent reasons to not vaccinate, although I don&#8217;t have as big of a problem with people who choose not to vaccinate against something like the flu versus more serious diseases.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen the science and those that claim that current vaccines are harmful don&#8217;t have a lot of support on their side.  They may have people who claim things, but as far as actual studies go, I&#8217;m not convinced in any way that there are excellent reasons to not protect your children against diseases that in years past, maimed and killed.</p>
<p>What people who avoid vaccines do is count on everyone else to vaccinate, and thus depend on &#8220;herd immunity&#8221; which I feel is irresponsible.  In fact, a newspaper article I just read highlighted specific schools in my area where there are extremely high populations of children who are unvaccinated, thus putting themselves and all other children at the school at risk of contracting one or more of the diseases that is entirely preventable.</p>
<p>Oddly enough, they are in areas that are wealthy and supposedly educated.  I say supposdely educated because I can&#8217;t believe that so many people are willing to blatantly ignore dozens of scientific studies that say the vaccines are safe, just to feed a paranoia. </p>
<p>In fact, they almost remind me of creationists in their zeal to ignore facts.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience/all/1" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience/all/1</a></p>
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		<title>By: chachaheels</title>
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		<dc:creator>chachaheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people are not vaccine avoiders so much as they are actively choosing not to vaccinate.  I don&#039;t believe this is wrong, there are excellent reasons to avoid many vaccines, and the case can be made for avoiding all of them.  The science and research to support this idea is all there, including relevant lawsuit results awarding significant damages to those affected by the vaccines--many are linked to all kinds of neurological diseases.  The swine flu vaccine of the 70&#039;s, in particular, has been linked to Guillain Barre disease; the link between autism and MMR vaccine, in particular, is so strongly acknowledged that some countries like Sweden no longer allow its use on their populations.  There are excellent reasons for people to choose against vaccines, just as there are reasons for people to choose to be vaccinated.

The thing is, one must be educated about the choices and consequences of vaccinations before choosing whether or not to become vaccinated, or choosing to expose children to vaccines.  There are valid arguments either way, and valid science either way;  but what I&#039;m seeing right now with the H1N1 and flu vaccine &quot;demand&quot; this year is a full rotation, full bore hysteria media campaign telling people they MUST get the shot and then telling them the shot is NOT available, generating panic (in Canada you get an H1N1 flu vaccine hysteria update every 15 minutes on every single news channel, TV or radio, round the clock).  It&#039;s creating a crazed demand for the vaccine as well as for  Tamiflu (Rumseld and Cheney and the Bush family all profit handsomely from that drug&#039;s sales, how timely).  There is no discussion in the media about whether the shot is at all necessary, there is only half news or no news about parents who have legitimate concerns about the shot&#039;s high thimerosol content and its effect on themselves and or their children; and just to scare us all a little further against our reason,  a great deal of hoo hah about the miniscule (especially when compared to the ordinary annual flu&#039;s) death rate.  There&#039;s a lot of manipulation going on in public health right now, and my instincts tell me that so much effort to coerce people into buying something they don&#039;t need can only mean one thing:  big profits to be made at the expense of our health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people are not vaccine avoiders so much as they are actively choosing not to vaccinate.  I don&#8217;t believe this is wrong, there are excellent reasons to avoid many vaccines, and the case can be made for avoiding all of them.  The science and research to support this idea is all there, including relevant lawsuit results awarding significant damages to those affected by the vaccines&#8211;many are linked to all kinds of neurological diseases.  The swine flu vaccine of the 70&#8217;s, in particular, has been linked to Guillain Barre disease; the link between autism and MMR vaccine, in particular, is so strongly acknowledged that some countries like Sweden no longer allow its use on their populations.  There are excellent reasons for people to choose against vaccines, just as there are reasons for people to choose to be vaccinated.</p>
<p>The thing is, one must be educated about the choices and consequences of vaccinations before choosing whether or not to become vaccinated, or choosing to expose children to vaccines.  There are valid arguments either way, and valid science either way;  but what I&#8217;m seeing right now with the H1N1 and flu vaccine &#8220;demand&#8221; this year is a full rotation, full bore hysteria media campaign telling people they MUST get the shot and then telling them the shot is NOT available, generating panic (in Canada you get an H1N1 flu vaccine hysteria update every 15 minutes on every single news channel, TV or radio, round the clock).  It&#8217;s creating a crazed demand for the vaccine as well as for  Tamiflu (Rumseld and Cheney and the Bush family all profit handsomely from that drug&#8217;s sales, how timely).  There is no discussion in the media about whether the shot is at all necessary, there is only half news or no news about parents who have legitimate concerns about the shot&#8217;s high thimerosol content and its effect on themselves and or their children; and just to scare us all a little further against our reason,  a great deal of hoo hah about the miniscule (especially when compared to the ordinary annual flu&#8217;s) death rate.  There&#8217;s a lot of manipulation going on in public health right now, and my instincts tell me that so much effort to coerce people into buying something they don&#8217;t need can only mean one thing:  big profits to be made at the expense of our health.</p>
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		<title>By: La Petite Acadienne</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Petite Acadienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re luckier than we are, raincoaster. There&#039;s a shortage of it out our way. Originally, they were limiting it to high-risk groups, one category being caretakers of children under 6 months old. Now, because supply is so limited, we&#039;ve been bumped, and it&#039;s only pregnant women, little kids, and healthcare workers getting it. So I&#039;m nervous as hell, and more than a little annoyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re luckier than we are, raincoaster. There&#8217;s a shortage of it out our way. Originally, they were limiting it to high-risk groups, one category being caretakers of children under 6 months old. Now, because supply is so limited, we&#8217;ve been bumped, and it&#8217;s only pregnant women, little kids, and healthcare workers getting it. So I&#8217;m nervous as hell, and more than a little annoyed.</p>
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		<title>By: dr nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>dr nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re lucky Glinda.  My friend is in the DC area and can&#039;t find a single place that has it.  Where I live they are out of both regular and H1N1 vaccines.  I managed to get both, but only because the hospital I work at was giving them out to employees who are in direct patient care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re lucky Glinda.  My friend is in the DC area and can&#8217;t find a single place that has it.  Where I live they are out of both regular and H1N1 vaccines.  I managed to get both, but only because the hospital I work at was giving them out to employees who are in direct patient care.</p>
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		<title>By: Glinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually got the swine flu vaccine yesterday at my OB appointment!  I was really surprised that they had it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually got the swine flu vaccine yesterday at my OB appointment!  I was really surprised that they had it.</p>
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		<title>By: raincoaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>raincoaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone with a badly compromised immune system, I&#039;m supposed to get the flu shot every year, which I normally forget, and which I forgot this year as well, despite the Hamthrax being in every headline. And guess what? I&#039;m the second blogger in the Manolosphere to be felled by the narsty virus. And it&#039;s really, really narsty, take it from me.

You could always fly up to Canuckistan; they&#039;re giving it out at malls here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone with a badly compromised immune system, I&#8217;m supposed to get the flu shot every year, which I normally forget, and which I forgot this year as well, despite the Hamthrax being in every headline. And guess what? I&#8217;m the second blogger in the Manolosphere to be felled by the narsty virus. And it&#8217;s really, really narsty, take it from me.</p>
<p>You could always fly up to Canuckistan; they&#8217;re giving it out at malls here.</p>
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		<title>By: enygma</title>
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		<dc:creator>enygma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I&#039;m one of the people who don&#039;t get flu vaccines every year, though I think it&#039;s important infants and children get vaccinated for polio, smallpox, etc.  My reasoning is that the scientists and researchers who make the flu vaccine are just guessing as to what the dominant flu strain is going to be in the upcoming flu season.  What&#039;s the point of getting vaccinated if another strain is going around and I get sick anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I&#8217;m one of the people who don&#8217;t get flu vaccines every year, though I think it&#8217;s important infants and children get vaccinated for polio, smallpox, etc.  My reasoning is that the scientists and researchers who make the flu vaccine are just guessing as to what the dominant flu strain is going to be in the upcoming flu season.  What&#8217;s the point of getting vaccinated if another strain is going around and I get sick anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s real patchy.  Perhaps your son&#039;s pediatrician might give you the vaccine? My daughter&#039;s doc just got some this week, and I had her vaccinated.  But my doc doesn&#039;t know WHEN they&#039;ll get any.  

I wouldn&#039;t go so far as to say the CDC has dropped the ball.  These vaccines can only be made so quickly, and from what I&#039;ve heard, they are taking longer to process (in the eggs) than was expected.  There&#039;s not much they can do about that.

I hope you are able to get the vaccine.  And for seasonal flu as well, since that&#039;s hard on pregnant women, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s real patchy.  Perhaps your son&#8217;s pediatrician might give you the vaccine? My daughter&#8217;s doc just got some this week, and I had her vaccinated.  But my doc doesn&#8217;t know WHEN they&#8217;ll get any.  </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t go so far as to say the CDC has dropped the ball.  These vaccines can only be made so quickly, and from what I&#8217;ve heard, they are taking longer to process (in the eggs) than was expected.  There&#8217;s not much they can do about that.</p>
<p>I hope you are able to get the vaccine.  And for seasonal flu as well, since that&#8217;s hard on pregnant women, too.</p>
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		<title>By: KESW</title>
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		<dc:creator>KESW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t get the H1N1 vac, only the regular flu vac, in September. I didn&#039;t know that ANYONE was able to get the H1N1 vaccine yet... is this certain areas of the country, or healthcare providers? My SIL works in a labor and delivery ward in a military hospital and I&#039;m pretty sure she only got the regular flu vaccine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t get the H1N1 vac, only the regular flu vac, in September. I didn&#8217;t know that ANYONE was able to get the H1N1 vaccine yet&#8230; is this certain areas of the country, or healthcare providers? My SIL works in a labor and delivery ward in a military hospital and I&#8217;m pretty sure she only got the regular flu vaccine.</p>
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